Today I learned that you have to clear 10 trail ultimatum 3 times to have 1 chance at killing trailmaster for your 4th ascendancy.

This is why I don't like 1 attempt at stuff. Having to look up fights beforehand is lame. I hope at the very least they change this for pinnacle bosses because it really penalizes going in blind.

i'm usually dead from the stupid debuffs long before i even get to him. going through 10 trials will guarantee you will always have projectiles firing at you constantly, homing blood balls firing at you, taking 50% increased damage, etc. it's like a t16 map with terrible mods.

Just need a good build. All his skills are very telegraphed. And some patience. Fight is long.

I found one fragment today i need three, why do i have to do it 10 times ?

I'll probably just buy carry, Is there a channel for group carries?? Poe1 had /gobsl820. I guess tft might have one

He's pretty easy and very similar to the version of him in 1.

His drops are also solid makes trial of chaos way better to run(or farm like I am) than trail of sanctum.

He's stronger than bosses, yep. Kill it for myself and for friend. :) That's much better than oneshote mechanics in sanctum 😁

I attempted the 4th ascendancy twice and then just paid some chinese guy 30exalts to do it for me in 1 min.

The game is so atrociously unbalanced i aint even going to waste my time on certain parts of it.

I fought him yesterday and during one of his pause time phases it got stuck there for over a minute. I could still access inventory and global, but it just stayed stuck in that colorless frozen phase. I started complaining in chat and out of nowhere it unfroze and almost killed me. Managed to get the shield but it was almost a disaster, farming those 3 pieces was so tedious

Yeah and then when you fight him and he freezes time the fight bugs out and you lose the entire set of fragments and have to pay for a set of farm them again. It was finally enough for me to uninstal and wait for more bug fixes since I'm over it now.

100x stronger is a heavy exaggeration. Depending on the burdens you get in the 10 waves the bosses can be quite difficult, you don't have to deal with that at the trialmaster.

You need to do 30 tasks in sanctum, ultimatum 10, so running it 3 times makes sense for your 4th ascendancy. Issue is that ypu also need 3 coins for it and the rng of also getting the right three keys.

Trialmaster itself feels quite fair, I failed my first try, because I ran out of flasks. I am a panic flask press player. Having "gain flask charges per second" feels mandatory if you not burst bosses away. With that it felt quite easy, and I am not the most well gifted player regarding boss fights. I rather play multiple characters through the campaign than having to kill Maven.

As warrior I prefer ultimatum 10x over sanctum.

And that's exactly why I did 3rd and 4th ascendancy in sanctum

if you run a high enough sanctum there is no need for ultimatum.. i think its 75+ for the 4th asc

I killed him in a single attempt. I did it at level 90 thought :)

The worst part of the fragments are random. Benefit is you can just buy it and go and the con is that of you want to do it yourself and do five 10 trials and get five center pieces it would feel like shit.

the 1 try philosophy is my biggest complain about the game. i absolutely hate it and i don't understand what GGG thinks the benefit for the players is.

i can only hope they reverse it and give us more attempts

"Just buy a carry".

Or... OR, be the crazy guy that just... you know... plays the game.

Ultimatum is very easy once you have a decent build. The hardest part is getting the keys. Othet than that is just dodge stuff.

I had exactly same experience. I finished ultimatum three times but had the same key drop twice. So I bought last key for 25 exalts only to discover that I'm doing absolutely no damage to last boss and then I got one shot. So much fun!

I gave up on Sekhemas for my 3rd ascendency. Took me a while to get to the final boss of the third floor. Freaking boss spend 90% of the fight underground. The trials are not fun at all.

75% honour relics, and if you have a decent dose and some common sense, Sekhema is walking the park.

My summoner is far from bis gear, and I farm sekh3ma for fun. Literally, I can't fail unless I try.

I even took get an extra affliction when you get an affliction at the start to see if I can do it. I had all the minor afflictions by the end of the run and 1080 honour left and killed the last boss with 1030 honour left.

Fourth ascendancy is way more manageable in sanctum/sekhmas. The entrance key has to have four trials to get the fourth ascendancy.

Basically get every max honor/honor resistance relic that you can fit and then target merchant while avoiding afflictions (unless you can ignore them). Also armour mitigates honour loss.

The last boss is annoying but as long as you follow above and understand the hourglass mechanic, you’ll be fine.

There should be permanent buff in trials for your character, per how many times you failed before. When you get your ascendancy point, it should be removed of course

You could also just do djinn 4 trials for it.

It’s also kinda funny how the devs responded to this concern. Their reasoning was that you only get one shot at a map or a challenge, but so does everybody else, so it’s not deal-breaking, which is roughly equivalent to “it’s fine you don’t have your 4th ascendancy because it’s designed that nobody got to have it”

Trial*

this is why i think GGG want it to be a long term undergoing for players over serval weeks with little to none progress

You guys happen to know how early you can get all 4 ascensions done if it’s by carry? Is there even a level restriction?

What’s the best place to buy the carry? I’m tired of this garbage.

I just accept that there is 4 ascendancy points maximum. Completing your character is apparently a 1% of the playerbase / streamer thing, not for regular folks.

Most dangerous boss in there is the tornado bird by a very long shot. Trialmaster is a damage sponge but considering there are no affixes/debuffs during the fight, it's really quite easy. Just dodge the telegraphed attacks and be patient.

Ascendancy points is always 1 attempt even in POE1. Try to over level about 5 to 10 to make it easier and not waste a lot of time on it.

It's more like 4 tries, because you do it 2 times, get 2 different fragment pieces, realize that it's random which one you get on the third go and you get a duplicate and that not all the fragment pieces have the same weighting so you will statistically have to buy the third one and then you'll have to go do a 4th run with the three pieces.

Some content creators have said he's "easy". It's true the trialmaster is "easy" if you have a good build. If you have an off-meta build he will probably kill you. He has a lot of health, relatively speaking. His burst damage isn't the highest, which is why he's "easy", but he will very likely kill you.

I did the trial on L77 tokens and the content is trivial. The bosses go down on my build in <30 seconds. The regular monsters die in one hit. Nothing can kill my build...except that stupid owl tornado BS. The trialmsater is the hardest of all the fights.

He is like 100x stronger than other bosses during ultimatum

He isn't. Fighting him is easier than getting to him.

When fighting him, you don't have to deal with any build-bricking affixes, or an overlapping AoE fiesta. There's very little pointless visual clutter on him, and his attacks are all easy to dodge.

Also, you can always just buy the three keys. Or, on the flipside, it's nice to be able to farm 10-stage ultimatums and sell keys to people.

Honestly I'm kinda' bitter about how many areas PoE2 excelled in- only to have some categories where they didn't just go ten steps back, but like... 100 steps back.

If you're on trade you should probably just be selling the fragments instead of trying to run them until you're extremely powerful.

Yes, remember to save your mental, its very vital!

You can also just do sekhema trial instead

I can faceroll ulti but how do i get ppl to the trialmaster fight. Tried it with a guildmate but he never could join my trial.

I am okay with the 1 portal for maps, it's a good risk reward factor and failed maps are not a huge lost...

BUT...

Pinnacle Bosses should stay until you defeat them, it's allready a lot of farming and rng to get to them.

I never liked that in poe1 either, you farm farm farm and then face a boss you never seen, dont have training with and he defeats you and you have wasted soo much time for nothing.

Why are they making these cool bosses, many people will never see or defeat at all. It's such a waste.

Without trading you need to be lucky to only need three runs. I got deadly fate 4 times in a row.

I wanted to do the trialmaster just to see the fight. I had to run like 10 ultimatums to get 3 different fragments. :)

Just do Sek with juiced up relics unfortunately that's the better choice

Yes you should have more chances on these bosses for sure. But the Trialmaster is not that hard tbh. Didn’t know the fight and still one pull, one kill. I already had my 4th ascendency through sanctum tho which was two attempts on the final boss. So if someone who is new to PoE can do it, it’s not that hard… 

I dont need 4th that bad ill wait till I oneshot this shit or they nerf it.

lol, should have read this 5 mins ago. same happened to me

If they really want Ultimatum for ascendancies, then it needs to give the 3rd ascendancy at 7 trials, then the fourth at 10 trials.

honestly he's 10x easier than most other ubers ive fought i think the main issue is all his damage is physical and allot of people dont have pdr or armor

The fun part about hard core is you never get that far to realize the balance issues of end game!

I cleared it twice, bought the 3rd fragment and got the trialmaster to half health. Then the fight bugged out and I had to restart my game, losing all the progress I had worked towards. Just going to buy my 4th point because that is way too much effort.

A buddy of mine just paid a divine to join a party that was already at the trial master. Skipped all 3 goes at the trial and got the ascendancy points.