From Nothing - when is it worth it?

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Generally, how many skill points must a jewel save before it's worth running? e.g. From Nothing or Controlled Metamorphosis - you occupy a jewel slot to save skill points from pathing to desired nodes. Whereas you could've had a normal rare jewel with 4 modifiers. Is there a general breakeven point where its' worth running fancy jewels to save skill points?

Comments

mazgill4

Thats what path of building is for - compare the gains and losses for your specific situations. Poe is one big opportunity cost simulator.

ExcellentPastries1

Literally cannot answer this except case by case

75inchTVcasual1

They’re generally build dependent but most are worth running. I’m running Vorana, Against The Darkness (Fire/Cold dmg), and Resonance From Nothing. Massive offensive/defensive boost.

vrosnyche1

Stat/mana stackers come to mind. I'm not sure if it's a damage gain on your end but POB will be your best friend so you don't waste your gold and div.

mizmato1

Highly dependent on the build and how valuable those points are for you. In general, I think that most builds can save a few points with the right From Nothing. For example, I take the one that lets me allocate points near Mind Over Matter and I can grab the three elemental notables, cast speed on crit notable, and arcane surge effect notable (with one point into arcane surge on crit). There's no way I can easily get arcane surge on my build and those elemental notables are quite powerful.

KeehanSmurff1

"Whereas you could've had a normal rare jewel with 4 modifiers." this is quite an assumption. because some mods are genuinely ass, or its a good stat but the value range is bad like maximum 4% cast speed. 4% is so meaningless no build even bother to get the stat from jewel.

Even in the case all 4 stats are good, those jewels would go for 2-digit divs anyways.

ashcroftt1

Great use cases for eg. Gemling are Resonance - You can get Spaghetti node without spending 7 points and anoint another %attr notable on your ammy. Or use Iron Reflexes if you have a double percent attribute Against there, and it nets you 16% attributes for 2 points and a jewel slot. Controlled for the north side lightning notables requires no extra travel and saves you up to 12 points on Gemling/Sparchmage. These are huge power boosts, where any jewel that comes close would be a 3 useful stat Megalomaniac for like  mirror. 

Asfalod1

I mean worst case you need to save 5 points to travel to the the next jewel slot everything else a bonus.