Your gear slows you down more than you think

let me just stop wearing gear so i can be faster then

The bringer of rain - this is a buff

Wait what?... we lose MS when equipping gear?!?!?!
(played very little PoE1, Didn't know this was a thing)

Using the rake + parry combo to traverse zones made the size of zones actually feel ok

Have you seen the Vaal Guards Specters? They have oil granades that leave the entire floor on fire and they have a huge splash damage. I have 7 and all I see is fire while the screen is shaking non stop

They need to add a default out of combat speed boost around 10-15%… easy band aid to help remove the dead time between engagements, especially if you need to double back for something!

You guys have movement speed boots?

Also, why is it hidden?

Can we finally remove that shit, GGG? :)

hmmm i wonder if other games with differing gear types have this mechanic. is this like a new mechanic poe2 has added to gaming?

Yeah, this needs to be completely removed, especially given that it targets the weakest of the defenses. I shouldn't be wanting to play ES as a warrior.

Well in elden ring you are faster naked....so I think from there they got the ideea.

The fact that I absolutely had to squeeze Blink onto my Smith of Kitava Mace Bonk Dude tells you everything you need to know about movement in PoE2. Without Blink it feels like you are just waddling through knee deep mud everywhere you go. Once you have blink the game actually feels decent. The decision to make movement skills terrible on top of the removal of things like Quicksilver Flask and Silver Flask are honestly insane. Then on top of making players half the speed of a normal ass build in PoE (and like 20% of the speed of a Mageblood Zoomer), they made zones 5x larger, and then didn't really add any mob density so you literally have times you are walking 15+ seconds between packs of mobs. The decisions are astonishingly bad. Where is the action in my action RPG...

Would make sense if the bases were more valuable to use

I was trying to get some move speed on my character. +20 from boots and +3 from passive tree. I check stats and it says +19 only…. Only when I check wiki for detailed stats I see that my armor slows me down by a few percentages…..ok game….why the F

Damn, good thing Armor gear makes up for all the drawbacks. If you go 100% armor there's no reason for Evasion/Energy shield.

Right guys?

Right?

Oooo so naked dark souls confirmed no fat rolling here.

If heavy armour slower it should also have tanky upside.

But it doesn't. And considering amour is the worst defence for now and looks like it going to be again gfor a long time, I hate this hidden armor penalties very much.

Wait, don't point that out, they might make rolling slower for armor classes too

People downvoted me in another thread when I was like maybe get rid of the base MS reduction on armors. I thought it was silly.

They really hate armour huh? I'm playing warrior again (smith this time) and it seems like the play is still just going giant's blood and getting max block + overcapped res vs. investing in armour.

Skills like Stampede feel near unplayable with low MS, so I don't get why this is even a thing.

This makes no sense to me. We are so slow already, why make it even worse. This is one of the reasons act 1 is such a slog. Can get 10% ms boots but in reality it's like 5% or less

This penalty doesn't sound too harsh until you find out that your +30% ms Boots are actually closer to just ~20% ms Boots AND most builds ONLY % increases to movement speed are literally just their boots.

how is 30% multiplied by 0.92x 20%? its 27.6 which is closer to 30 than 20.

So by using Armour base Body Armor and Shield, you just lose 1/3 of your obtainable speed increases by design

where is this 1/3 coming from? you keep saying 0.92 but then its suddenly 1/3

Damn it really would be a shame if a different ARPG had the solution to this by making Movement Speed an implicit on boots, having even the first bases give 5-7%, late game bases having 15-18% on top of explicit movement speed rolling from 5-7% all the way to 26-30%!

And thats before going for triple movement speed legendary slams. To the point that late game boots can have 50-70% movement speed before any other slots, passives or haste boosting it.

Here I am zooming through every zones using rake+parry cancel combo.

Fucking why?

i mean even with Most of the right Side MS nodes, tailwind and whats Not the Game feels Like slowmo, movement skills feels Like slowing you down .. and every temp Chain Maps litterly let me alt f4 in the middle of it 

this is Just Not fun playing a Game and looking how your character moving Like a Turtle even If you invested pretty much every Part of your defense for Speed on Like every Slot possible

think my biggerst Problem with the Game atm  slowmo gameplay = 0 fun.

Wow so the ES/EVA body armor I bought with 5% movement speed on it is actually 1% lol.

It would be nice if, as you gained strength, the armour would weigh you down less.

It makes sense that they don't want movement speed to work the way it did in POE1. The issue, at the core, is that you cannot reasonably design a boss encounter to be challenging (movement wise) for a 160%ms player if it should also be beatable by someone with only 100% ms. They don't want high MS to be a mandatory stat (more than it already is) or a hard gear check to make encounters possible to beat at all.

There's a range of boss abilities that can be fun - slams, lasers, meteors, line of sight mechanics, etc. But if a chunk of your playerbase moves twice as fast as the rest, most of these mechanics become trivial and all the bosses have to do something like shaper bullet hell or atziri "fill the room with circles of death" where it's not so much about speed or reaction time, but precise positioning.

It's better if everyone just moves at a roughly equivalent speed and movement abilities have some restriction or cooldown so you still need to time your dodges.

Having said that, they could just remove it as a stat from boots and give everyone +20% per campaign difficulty step (normal/cruel/maps). Dress it up as a class skill or something (like the demonform dash) or make it implicit on boots that drop(and can be equipped) at those levels.

Whatever way you justify it, ultimately everyone should just have +60%, or whatever the feelgood number ends up being. Then they can adjust bosses at those levels to actually count on players having the speed they need.

……what. I like the slower pacing but this… what

What a fucking joke

The whole game is basically dogshit.

Yeah I was just watching a bunch of streams and everyone playing a warrior moves slow as fucking molasses. It's egregious.

Wow! I did not know that such a crappy mechanic existed in the game. So I build a character with a ton of strength, meet all the requirements and still can't run as fast as the others???

Regarding the movement skills: today I started as warrior and it felt so much better than my lich because of shield charge. I recommend that every player picks that skill up.

Much like the well potion filling mechanic this is another thing that sort of makes sense in a thematic way but functionally is completely stupid and a waste of time to be in the game. Part of the vision I guess but I don't think there is a single person that plays the game and thinks "wow it's so cool there are these hidden debuffs from my gear that make me slower!"

Jesus forking chirst, this explains so much, it should be 5% REDUCED for armour only body armour, 3% for heavy shields, and 3% for evasion body armour, not this NONSENSE. Or at the very least, if they want these penalties to be felt, give us some way to have like 5-10% increased movements speed over what we have now! like make it a belt mod to make stupid useless belts worth something!

GGG... Let me tell you about a little secret, moving fast is fun. Moving slow isn't.

they need to delete this unfun relic of a mechanic...

If they want the realism of gear weighing you down, then they need to incorporate the character's strength into the equation to counter-balance it.

My 500+ str warrior should not be getting movement penalty from equipping armour with a 100 str requirement, especially not a bigger movement penalty than the noodle-armed witch who can barely put on something with 30 str requirement.

Just another thing making int gear superior.